[MLUG] need a copy of ubuntu?
Jean-Francois Theroux
jf at theroux.ca
Wed Jul 9 12:57:06 EDT 2008
I'm gonna have to test Visio 2003 and VMware Infrastructure Client on the
latest wine. If that works, I'm ditching Windows on my desktop at work at
least. I heard also you can now run Office 2k3 on it too?
Anyone who tried those 3 on wine?
P.S. I'm mad at VMware for not having a Linux VIC client. They have it for
Server, why not ESX?
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Nicholas Accad <nicholas at accad.org> wrote:
> JF, like I just told you.
>
> It all depends on what "is" is </BillClinton>
>
> Personally, I am at the point where using anything other than a Linux
> desktop frustrates me, mostly because half of my screen taken with
> xterms where I do everything, I don't even use the menu. typing
> "firefox &" is much faster than locating it in the menu.
>
> -nick
>
>
> On 7/9/08, Jean-Francois Theroux <jf at theroux.ca> wrote:
> > The is-Linux-ready-or-not-for-the-desktop debate has been
> > going on for what now? 10 years? We just all keep repeating the same
> stuff
> > over the years ; )
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Steeve McCauley <steeve at rackable.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jean-Francois Theroux wrote:
> > > > I think gaming will be irrelevant soon on the PC anyway. Consoles are
> > > > the future I believe. If they'd get their heads out of the sand and
> > > > provide keyboard/mouse for their game on it, they'd kill the PC as a
> > > > gaming platform I think. I'd rather game on my HDTV than on my 19"
> > > > monitor ; )
> > >
> > > This I agree with 100%, I don't get the whole PC gaming thing at
> > > all, mind you I also don't get the watching videos on my PC thing
> > > either :)
> > >
> > >
> > > > Based on stats of people I know around me, not many people use Linux
> on
> > > > their desktop. More people use OSX, and sadly, Windows is the big
> > > > winner. My younger brother and his friends are starting to use it
> > > > though. I think young ones are more inclined to use Linux. People
> like
> > > > my father will never use it. They don't want to learn a new system.
> Even
> > > > if I install it for them.
> > >
> > > Of the 5 friends that come to mind, 2 have switched to linux,
> > > 1 is sticking with windows because of gaming (she seems to think
> > > that consoles aren't as fast as a PC, I'm no expert but that
> > > surprised me, especially with the latest consoles which are
> > > pretty kick-ass from waht I understand). The other wants to
> > > try ubuntu. The last would switch, but he's content to work
> > > with vista on his new desktop. That may be a good example of
> > > where work overrides the decision to switch though, because both
> > > he and his wife work for orgnaization that are windoze bound.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Jeremy Chapman <
> me at jeremychapman.info
> > >
> > > > <mailto:me at jeremychapman.info>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Jean-Francois Theroux
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > <jf at theroux.ca <mailto:jf at theroux.ca>> wrote:
> > > > > Yes but if its not used in the enterprise space, it won't be
> used
> > > > at home.
> > > > > Or chances of it being used are really lowered. People used
> what
> > > > they are
> > > > > familiar with.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like to say something more generic about desktops though.
> > > > Where is the
> > > > > innovation and improvements? It hasn't changed much since I
> > > > started using
> > > > > Windows 3.1 back in the 90s. Whether you use OSX, Windows,
> Linux,
> > > > etc, your
> > > > > desktop is going to look the same more or less.
> > > >
> > > > People do use it at home, many people, more than you think most
> > > > likely. Just for instance, kids are getting into it for gaming,
> > > > amazingly enough, wine seems to run some stuff better (along with
> > > > being on more stable platform) than in windows. I see tons of
> > > > gamer-kin asking questions in support channels about WUBI, about
> > wine,
> > > > about NATIVE LINUX PORTS OF GAMES! That is the coolest, we always
> > said
> > > > we need to get a critical mass of people asking for linux games
> > before
> > > > we get taken seriously... there is talk of a SC2 port among
> others.
> > > > Sit in an ubuntu support chan for a while and see the amazing
> > spectrum
> > > > of people you see, let alone the sheer number of them.
> > > >
> > > > 10 million eeepc to be sold this year alone, pretty much all
> running
> > > > linux desktop. Mostly being used by students and non-geeks. ASUS
> > > > selling MBs with instant-on linux desktops embedded...
> > > >
> > > > While it may not be 'ready' (although it can be made to be ready
> > quite
> > > > easily) for large enterprises who still run win2k servers, it is
> > more
> > > > than ready for SOHO stuff, and it is being widely used in these
> > areas.
> > > > Not even a large percentage of the population work at these sorts
> of
> > > > large stodgy places, and they are always last to adopt new tech
> > > > anyways.
> > > >
> > > > Many of the people I set up with an Ubuntu system at work
> approach
> > me
> > > > and ask how to get it on their home system as well.
> > > >
> > > > The desktop in gnome blows away windows of course, no comparison.
> > The
> > > > applets alone do it, the calendar alone does it, the
> screensavers,
> > > > easy menus, ability to kill X without rebooting, desktop
> workspaces,
> > > > compiz!... people LOVE this. Sure it takes a day or a week to get
> > > > around the fact start menu is on top (can easily be changed of
> > > > course). If you want, with a few clicks you can get
> enlightenment,
> > > > avant, whatever, make it look however you like.
> > > >
> > > > Jeremy
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> > > > --
> > > > Jean-François Théroux
> > > > Linux/network security consultant
> > > > http://www.theroux.ca
> > > >
> > > > Half of what I'm saying to you is meaningless, but it's necessary so
> > > > that the other half may reach you. -Kahlil Gibran
> > > >
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Jean-François Théroux
Linux/network security consultant
http://www.theroux.ca
Half of what I'm saying to you is meaningless, but it's necessary so that
the other half may reach you. -Kahlil Gibran
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